*(Last updated Sept 2020, but very insensitive to yearly changes)*

*Note: if you find the graph below difficult to understand, see Initial P/E and 10-Year Rolling Returns first.*

### Scatter Diagram: Starting P/E Ratio vs. 10-Year Stock Market Returns

The above scatter plot (click on image to expand) shows the historical relationship between the P/E ratio of the stock market at the time of purchase and the theoretical investors' returns over the next 10 years. We've looked at this relationship before; for example, Rolling Returns vs Initial P/E Ratios looked at the relationship of initial P/E and subsequent returns

*over time*-- that is, with time as the horizontal axis. However, this time we're going to take time out of the equation; it's just starting P/E ratio vs. 10-year return -- "man to man" so to speak.

In the chart, each dot represents a hypothetical

purchase at the end of a year between 1901 and 2009 (and sold 10 years later). The dot's position on the horizontal axis shows the stock market's normalized P/E at the end of that year; the dot's position on the vertical axis shows the annualized total return of a hypothetical investor over the next 10 years. (See note at end of post) For example, the leftmost dot represents a year when the normalized P/E was 7.2; the annualized return over the next 10 years was 12.1%. (FYI, that year was 1932.)

### As The Initial/Starting P/E Increases Future Returns Decrease

As you can see, as a general rule, the dots move from the upper left quadrant of the graph (low P/E, high return) to lower right quadrant (high P/E, low return). The green line is the statistically calculated trend line that best fits the data. It shows that, on average, if the P/E increases by 5, the expected future returns decrease by about 3% per year for the next 10 years.### Normalized P/E Ratios Over 20 Are Rare -- And, Not A Good Thing

As you can also see, the price/earnings ratio is rarely over 20; only about 10% of the readings exceed that value. The results in those situations have ranged from below average (the average was around 10%) to dismal. Even so, it's only when the P/E gets around 30 that expected returns go to zero.The last dot on the right represents a year when the normalized price/earnings ratio was 32.8(!) -- the highest on record. Hypothetical investors who bought that year had the worst 10-year performance of all -- minus 1.3% per year. Not surprisingly, that year turns out to be 1928. Investors who bought that year had the double misfortune of not only buying during the bubble that preceded the 1929 stock market crash, but also selling 10 years later in the depths of the depression.

### Using Normalized P/E Ratios to Project Future Returns

Because the initial normalized p/e ratio is such a good indicator of future 10-year returns, it is a key element of my stock market projection methodology. However, as you can see from the dispersion of the dots, the starting P/E does not*precisely*predict future performance. Because there are many other factors involved, there is a lot of variability in the actual results. Still, I think this is convincing evidence that high P/E ratios have a negative impact upon 10-year returns.

### Expected 10-Year Returns Are Not The Same As Expected 1-Year Returns

Finally, it's worth mentioning that 10-year returns are just that; they're not one-month returns, or even one-year returns. At least for now, I think it is best to assume that the results here say nothing about the relationship between normalized price/earnings ratios and*short-term*stock market performance; that's a horse of a different color -- a whole different deal.

Borrowing Returns from the Future

*continues this analysis and shows why poor returns follow prolonged bull markets.*Notes: The above scatter plot shows the historical relationship between the p/e ratio of the stock market at the time of purchase and a typical investor's return over the ensuing 10 years. By "stock market" I mean the DJIA (Dow Jones Industrial Average), though historical results for other broad-based indexes like the S&P 500 would be comparable. By P/E ratio, I mean the

*normalized*price/earnings ratio as I calculate it (see About Normalized P/E Ratios). Finally, by typical investor's return I mean the total return of a hypothetical investor who bought the Dow Jones Index and held it for 10 years, reinvesting all dividends (with no expenses such as taxes or commissions). Note that earnings and dividends prior to 1929 are estimated based upon another stock market index.

### Related Posts

**See other posts in this series**

The Impact of Initial P/E Ratio on 20-Year Returns: Similar to this post, but for 20-year periods.

The Impact of Initial P/E Ratio on 5-Year Returns

The Impact of Initial P/E Ratio on 1-Year Returns

**Other related posts**

Initial P/E Ratio vs Rolling 10-Year Returns: Same data as this post, but looked at chronologically.

Borrowing Returns from the Future investigates the implications of the exceptions/"outliers" in this chart.

P/E Ratio Impact On Future Returns: Returns of purchases made when p/e is high compared to returns of low p/e purchases. Impact in $$$.

Composition of 10-Year Stock Market Returns: comparison of impact of earnings growth, dividends and p/e ratio on 10-year returns

Projecting 10-Year Stock Market Returns: using these results to project future returns.

Range of Stock Market Returns in Dollars: 10-100 Years (bar chart)

The Variability of 10-Year Stock Market Returns, in Dollars: a closer look at the 10-year bar in the link above.

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The predictive power of the graph showing the relationship between PE and subsequent stock market returns would be enhanced by using either the trailing one-year PE, the trailing 10-year PE, or the PE based on projected earnings in the forward 4 quarters. All of those parameters are known at time "zero," whereas the "normalized" PE that you calculate won't become known for five years!

ReplyDeleteI would be interested to see a similar plot of the 10 year return as a function of the "stock market return premium," which would be the earnings yield (E/P ratio) at time zero minus the yield on the 10-year Treasury bond.

I disagree. However, since you raise an issue that has probably confused other readers, and since it is relevant to other posts as well, I think a new mini-post is a better vehicle for the response than a maxi-comment. Will do as soon as I get a chance.

DeleteAnon,

DeleteSee the discussion in the note at the end of the post on Starting P/E and 5-Year Returns.